Cassandra Thorburn came to the public’s attention as Karl Stefanovic’s wife, when the couple separated after 21 years, in 2016. As divorces go, they don’t get much more high profile in Australia, and everyone was hungry for the details; was there a third person involved? What would be the arrangement for their three children? Who’d get the house?
Thorburn, now 48, attracted the extensive empathy of Today show viewers, and they appeared to turn on Stefanovic, who left the show in 2017. Since then, Thorburn has appeared on Dancing With the Stars and given front cover interviews on the split.
Considering all of this, you would be forgiven for thinking the public were interested in her as a person.
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That’s what makes the backlash against Thorburn’s most recent move so curious.
Now a confident single mum, Thorburn is co-hosting a new podcast, Divorce Story – Surviving Separation, which dropped earlier this month. With journalist Annaliese Dent, Thorburn, according to the 12-episode pod’s description, “will help you navigate your separation, provide advice from experts and help you relaunch your life post-divorce.”
The podcast delivers on its promise, with the first two episodes covering the healthiest way to recognise and talk about the end of a marriage. The hosts speak to the CEO of Relationships Australia, a psychiatrist, and divorced women, in a helpful manner.
And yes, Thorburn shares some relevant bits of her experience, admitting, for example, that she was devastated when her husband chose to leave.
But as she speaks, there is no bitterness; it is clear to anyone who’s listened that Thorburn is offering constructive advice from an experienced perspective.
“Any trauma has to be grieved,” she shares. “And divorce is a trauma.”
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She advises listeners at one point, “You can’t take all of it to heart. It’s not as personal as you think it is.”
Thorburn was once a journalist – which is how she met Stefanovic. In this new phase of life, Thorburn is simply doing what so many of us do in the media every day; sharing stories and information to educate, guide and inspire.
What exactly is wrong with that? Plenty, according to the social media backlash to any post about the podcast. But why have the public turned so viciously on someone they once supported? Why does the public now want to silence Thorburn?
Let’s break it down.
Thorburn is wealthy.
A common comment on social media is that Thorburn is profiting from her misery when in fact, she already has plenty of money and assets, and thus should keep her stories to herself.
It doesn’t make sense – but that’s Tall Poppy Syndrome for you; a desire to keep people down – or pull them down from success.
“Isn’t she embarrassed still going on about it?”, one person wrote on Facebook.
“Cassandra just think of the other women that have been left high and dry from their husbands, with not even a cent to their name. Grow up, shut up and focus on your millions.”
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Another curious comment was, “Like she's the only one that's been through a divorce seriously can she just go get a job like everyone else does to earn a living.”
Earn a living? But… isn’t that what she’s doing?
Thorburn is “bitter”.
In October 2017, Thorburn said that her ex-husband was now “dead” to her.
“The children still have a father but I don’t have a husband. He really is dead to me and no, we won’t ever be friends again.”
Yes, Thorburn did speak angrily, the year after her marriage breakdown. But the podcast makes it clear it’s not Thorburn’s personal sledge session.
Anything she shares (and if you listen, you’ll hear it’s minimal) is intended to make someone who was once in her position know that in the midst of despair, there’s hope for a positive future.
But the comment section begs to differ, and offers the reason why. Now that Stefanovic is back in public favour, that same public doesn’t want to hear the information they were once so interested in.
They’ve ‘moved on’ and believe any mention of Stefanovic by Thorburn indicates she needs to, too.
Thorburn should “get a life”.
This is an interesting, and again common, accusation in many of the online threads.
While Thorburn is quite literally using her life experience, and earned wisdom, in a constructive offering, trying to be a voice for Australians in a topic she knows about, the advice in the backlash is for her to “get a life”… when that’s really what she’s doing.
One commenter said, “Just get a life for yourself you have beautiful children to occupy you.”
Interpretation: please get back in your box and stay in your box.
Thorburn is sad.
Yes, Thorburn was sad, and now she’s not. That’s the point.
Rather than “disappear”, Thorburn is embracing her experience and offering help and solace to so many others. But in the criticism, there’s an absolute refusal to acknowledge that a woman can grow and speak about a divorce in a healthy way. A woman can change from being an “ex”, to return to her own identity.
Yet even after breaking it down, the nasty nature of the backlash is baffling, especially considering how the attention on Thorburn was much more favourable after the divorce. And trying to understand the accusations is not easy, but rather confusing, because they’re conflicting and hypocritical.
Putting all of that aside, one question remains: in 2020, shouldn’t we be supporting women who want to share advice with others; not trying to silence them?
Feature image: Instagram/@cassthorburn and Facebook.
Top Comments
But when a typical family experience divorce, I'm sure the biggest issues are where everyone will live, and how they will now pay child raising expenses and two sets of living expenses. It's not the tall poppy syndrome; I don't have anything against Thorburn owning a mansion and receiving tens of thousands in support payments. But how are her experiences going to be beneficial to typical people experiencing divorce?
Exactly. It would be far more relatable to have the perspective of a woman who isn't financially stable and who, after decades absent from the workforce, isn't afforded highly-coveted, high-profile job opportunities as soon as she re-enters it. That would be the more realistic story to hear about, that more accurately represents what divorce in middle age can be like for many women.
The author is conveniently brushing over the numerous digs Thorburn has made at Karl, the most recent being that she was "glad it's not me" when commenting on Karl's wife's pregnancy. That's quite bitter. So it is wrong to say she isn't bitter, she is slyly and maliciously getting in passive-aggressive digs. All the time. Even having a podcast about surviving divorce? Like as if there aren't thousands of self-help books on that, almost a million websites on it, etc. There is simply no need for it. That's the point. Clear and simple. If she was a journalist, why doesn't she do a news podcast? Or a writing, entertainment or even music or artist podcast? WHY on divorce? She must have a hobby, a sport or something she does, that doesn't have to do with her obsession with divorce.
The author is very naively defending her when it is obvious to everyone and anyone that she is milking her divorce for attention and money, even as far as the Dancing With The Stars gig, which she got not as a journalist, BUT as the ex of Karl Stefanovic. She did an interview with Women's Weekly about how she is 'coping with divorce'. She gave an interview to Studio 10 - about how she is coping with divorce. She went on DWTS as the divorcee of a famous person - and her vignettes were about.....how she was coping with divorce. She gave an interview only 2 weeks back re her ex being a father again - and.....how she was coping with divorce.
NOW, she is doing a flipping podcast. About....wait for it..... how she is coping with divorce. Jesus of Nazareth! Please don't insult your readers' intelligence. All the comments about her are the hard truth. She does just not.shut.up about .......divorce! There is something truly malicious, spiteful, vindictive, narcissistic and conniving about her. She just won't....shut......up about her connection to Karl and divorce. No one these days needs a 'podcast' about 'divorce', since the topic of divorce is EVERYWHERE!! It is not a taboo topic, she is choosing the safe and easiest way to get attention; talking about herself and her divorce from a high profile media personality. If she was a journalist, you'd never know, because she is not stretching herself to carve out an actual journalistic career. She is airing her dirty laundry for cheap and easy attention. Please, writer, don't insult our intelligence by even trying to be an apologist and write this off as anything other than it clearly is. We mamamia readers are a smart bunch. We're not stupid. Stop making excuses for her.
The podcast isn't specifically about her own divorce and there's certainly no "dirty laundry" aired in the 1st episode at least, which had the CEO of Relationships Australia as the featured guest. I don't see any deep seated bitterness from anyone except her critics, who don't seem to want to her to have any honest opinions at all - so she's not all "sunshine and roses" about how she feels about Karl and his life, but I don't think she's going out of her way to take shots at him.
No one says she can't have any honest opinions, just that she shouldn't need to do 5 separate interviews on 5 different occasions to say the one thing. It's that she just will not stop talking about it. She could choose to say 'no comment' when asked about her ex becoming a father, surely?
So she can have an opinion but just can't say what it is? Or perhaps she should go on a reality TV show to increase her profile? I have no idea whether she's out there seeking out these interviews or whether media outlets are approaching her for comment, but it's probably a bit of both, as most things are.