Content warning: This post deals with sexual assault, and may be triggering for some people.
I recently read an article published by Clementine Ford titled Was It Rape? In it, she detailed another woman’s story who had been harassed by a man she worked with for weeks. In it, the woman had tried rejecting the man multiple times and he kept questioning why she wouldn’t have sex with him.
Apparently, some men don’t get no. Apparently, some men don’t get no, even when a justification (that shouldn’t even be necessary) is given. Apparently, some men feel so entitled to women that they will not accept no as an answer.
In the end, the woman of this story (which you can read more about here) eventually gave in. She let the man have sex with her. While she let him, she was unwilling in the whole act and had begun to feel afraid about what might happen if she continued to say no.
But was it rape? That’s a question this woman still asks herself, years later.
Several people would argue it wasn’t – because she agreed.
But did she really?
If you were afraid, confused, and harassed – your voice and rejections continually ignored – does your yes actually mean anything?
To me, it doesn’t. To me, if someone experiences such excessive harassment, I’d identify it as coercion – and, in Australia, that would be counted as rape.
However, what if I apply the same logic to myself – in particular, my second ‘boyfriend’. (I’ve mentioned him briefly before – he was the delightful human being who told me he loved me, then dropped me home one day, ghosting me out and telling my best friend at the time I just wasn’t pretty enough. Real classy guy.)
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Firstly I want to say I can understand why you felt traumatised by this situation, it sounds like he quite roughly and without warning put his fingers inside you without warning, and I wonder if he did that because he knew that if he asked first you probàbly wouldn't have given consent.
Having said they though I think this whole area is a grey area, because on the other hand many of us, myself included have been in a passionate or lustful situation where I've made it obvious from my body language that I'm into the guy and he is taking cues from that and he is doing all manner of things without expressly asking permission, and in fact verbalising it would have killed the mood.
Most men would know though to use your body language as a clue and if you are lying there all tense then they should proceed with caution as you are either nervous or not into it, and the guy should clarify which one it is. If you do want it but are nervous then the guy should have the good sense to be gentle and go slow. For instance if a guy doesn't want to kill the mood a guy can go slow and use your body language to get an indication, eg most guys would work their hands up your leg and gradually go further and further, if you push him or his hand away or try to wiggle away or say no they will know to stop, if instead you are showing a lot of enthusiasm then they know they are on the right track so to speak. And really I think this is the best approach because who wants a guy to give a running update, eg "is it ok if I touch your knee?" "I want to touch your thigh now is that ok?" Etc. difficult to stay in the mood if you had to give permission for every step of the journey.
But there is another scenario which is tricky to navigate and that is the overcome by passion/lust scenario when both people just want to get it on as urgently as possible, this is the scenario where it's quite possible for the guy to forcefully do something because he can tell from the woman's body language she is totally into. When I say forcefully that's perhaps not the right word as I'm not talking coercion or roughness but I think many of us have been in that scenario where from our body language we made it pretty clear to the guy we were totally into it.
Most guys are smart enough and should be smart enough to know the difference between a woman lying tensely or showing disgust to a woman moaning and groaning with pleasure, and I would say that any guy who tries to do something sexual with the tense woman should know better and probably has a fairly good idea she isn't into it but is taking advantage. However unfortunately there are some guys who are hopeless at reading body language even body language that would be obvious to the rest. I've been with guys who have done sonething I haven't liked, might be something innocuous, like nibbled my ear in a rough way or sonething similar and I've recoiled but they thought I was into it until I told them no I don't like that. And who knows maybe I've done something similar to a guy myself. Also the guy you were with may have been relatively inexperienced himself and not have a clue, though I think from the conversations you had he should have known. And of course there is one other indication for a man, if a woman is not adequately lubricated then any experienced man would know that she is not ready or willing. Which is not to say lubrication means consent but I would certainly say lack of it would indicate a lack of consent.
So this is where it gets tricky because I think absolutely some guys know that you don't want to but they feel entitled and this indeed is some kind of assault, but others are just hopeless clutzes who can't figure out body language and are hopeless lovers and think being rough is the same as passion. But conversely some men are so in sync with the woman and such good lovers that both of them know they want it and neither of them wants to kill the mood by verbalising it or seeking verbal permission.
So this is where it is impossible to legislate this kind of thing because I would say what was done to you sounded like assault but then I have personally had a situation where a guy did a similar thing because I made it pretty obvious from my body language that I wanted him, but even in this scenario I'm certain if I hadn't been lubricated or I had shown tension or repulsion I'm sure he would not have proceeded.
Regardless of whether what happened to you is legally considered rape I can understand why it was so traumatic. When I was a little girl a man did that to me, and fairly obviously that was assault because I was a child. When I was older I kept thinking well it was no big deal because after all I was still a virgin but it really effected me in terms of I was quite terrified of boys and sexual things, and veered between sexually attracted to guys but also being repulsed by the thought of sexual activity. It took a lot of trust before I finally lost my virginity but fortunately for me my then boyfriend was incredibly loving and gentle with me. But I did always wonder if the abuser guy had broken my hymen because I didn't bleed the first time I had sex, but as I also know that doesn't always happen anyway and also my boyfriend was gentle but still it did bother me a little.
I hope anyway that you have managed to find a caring lover since this bad experience.
Many years ago I worked as a pathology collector. The issue of consent was quite a tricky one. You absolutely can not stick a needle in a person without their consent, but what constitutes consent was a very grey area. A person walking into a collection centre of their own free will was considered implied consent, they had to actively say no or behaviourally indicate that consent was removed by pulling their arm away, yet mild flinching or recoil is a normal physiological response for many people. Sex and a blood test are obviously not the same thing, but perhaps the issue is that there is confusion about what constitutes consent, and what is required to indicate lack of consent. Did anyone ever feel violated after a blood test? I would hope not, but it is possible that there are people out there that did not want a blood test but felt uncomfortable saying no or pulling their arm away. There are people out there who were nervous and were convinced to have the blood test despite their nerves, it is possible there is someone out there that feels they were coerced. It is hard to discuss the complications that arise with "implied consent" without the conversation devolving into accusations of victim blaming, but it is equally remiss to have a conversation about consent without acknowledging that in certain situations the consent is implied until actively indicated it has been removed. I want to thank you for writing this article, I think calm conversations about important issues like this are important, and they have the potential to identify real solutions to complex issues if they are not hijacked by outrage and victim blaming accusations.
P.S. I don't really understand how recoil during sex could be mistaken for enthusiasm, perhaps I'm doing it wrong but I have never felt the need to recoil when I am enjoying something.