Mamamia Out Loud

Jealousy, rivalry, envy and competitiveness. They've always existed but can any of them ever be a good thing? Stevie Nicks doesn't seem to think so telling Katy Perry to "get off the internet" believing it to be poison for relationships between artists.

So, is there anything wrong with wanting to be number one or is it better to share success? And what's the difference between rivals and competitors anyway? Grab the popcorn, because we are NOT on the same page for this one.

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Senior Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.