We find out what it's really like to be a transgender woman.

Caitlyn Jenner makes it look so easy.

But with her wealth, fame, support and access to medical care, surgery and protection from violence she is not a typical transgender woman.

And while the worldwide acceptance of her transitioning is great, it's masking a much more complex, darker story.

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This week our Debrief Daily podcast Just Between Us talks to Julia Doulman, who grew up in the NSW town of Bathurst, transitioned in her 40s - and has not had a job since.

Julia talks about the reality of being trans - the unemployment, the risk of suicide (that decreases by a factor of 40 after expensive reassignment surgery), the family rejection and the discovery of who your real friends are. She is candid and funny about how men and women respond so differently to her.

"Women are more accepting than men because, to put it bluntly, women know there is life without a dick, whereas men think it's the be all and end all; (getting rid of it) is the ultimate betrayal of manhood," she says.

You can listen here on iTunes, and below on Soundcloud

We also discuss where we give into sexual stereotypes, men who do it all and the flower to make your home calm.