Today the Senate voted – 31 against, 31 for on whether Australia should have a plebiscite on same sex marriage. The motion was defeated meaning Australia will now go to a controversial voluntary postal plebiscite.
Labor Senator Penny Wong is openly gay and has two children with her partner, Sophie. Before the vote, Penny Wong gave an impassioned speech in the senate. This is an edited transcript of her speech.
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Well, this motion is not about giving Australians a say.
This motion is about weakness and division on that side of the parliament.
This motion is about a government so divided and so leaderless, they have to handball a hard decision to the community to make it because they cannot make it in their party room. That’s what this is about.
And no amount of words from my colleague can hide from the fact that this is one big massive handball, because this is a government without a leader, utterly divided on this issue. That is what this vote is about.
Now, I will come back to the substantive in a moment, but let’s just talk about the procedural issue. This is a government that is so weak, it won’t even bring the bill back.
Do you know what the motion before you is? It’s saying, “Oh, you know that second-reading vote we had? Well, we did not like the outcome, so can we have it again?” That’s what this motion is.
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While I support gay marriage and oppose a plebiscite, I do think the issue of children being raised by gay coupled should be discussed/refuted more often because this is the main reason why some of my friends oppose gay marriage. For example, how do children maintain links to their biological parents and a sense of identity? How do they define their parents in gay families? I don't think a lot of people in the community would know how to answer these questions.
I agree with this too. Rather than shut down opposing arguments, providing logical arguments and some additional information around this would be a huge help.
At the same time - if this is why some people are opposing gay marriage - gay people are partnering and having kids anyway, whether marriage becomes legal or not has no bearing on this.
Can't speak for others but i know two people have a gay parent (in both cases the parents were married, had children, separated when the children were young and one parent entered a same sex relationship). Both people i know absolutely 100% support their parent and are appalled that their parent is discriminated against.
Perhaps we should ask the same of adopted or fostered children, or children born of IVF situations where the sperm and/or egg was donated, or they were born to a surrogate, or raised by a single or widowed parent? Honestly, these friends of yours need to stop being so obtuse - there are already plenty of same-sex families around, and that is a completely separate issue to civil marriage between same-sex people.
You can't just limit that to same sex parents, though. What about single parents that make a deliberate choice to have a child by themselves by way of donor and/or surrogate? Or opposite sex couples using donor materials because of infertility or using surrogates. They're all in the same boat of a child most likely not knowing one or both of their genetic parents or if they have any full/half siblings.
Anti-SSM campaigners drag the issue of children into this debate because they're looking for reasons to get people to agree with them. The ship has already sailed on the issue of same sex couples having kids and referring to it at all from either side of the argument is just wasting time and confusing the issue.
Changing the thousands-of-years-old definition of marriage is a significant shift. Maybe for the better, maybe not, either way, significant. It seems at times like the advocates' view is that SSM is their business and only their business; no-one else should discuss or contribute to the decision. When actually society belongs to everyone, and we all have the right to listen and be heard--and if eligible, cast a vote. That's democracy.
That "thousands-of-years-old" definition of marriage to which you cling was originally founded on the premise that it was a sacred union in which a woman was a subordinate to her partner. Funny that we've had no problems with it evolving over time, to the point of equality between married partners, and it now being removed from the church and even trivialized into reality game shows.... But now you say we all need to hear everyone's opinions about whether to recognize gay unions? Why? I don't recall needing a vote on any of the other significant evolutions if marriage.
Democracy is also ensuring all citizens have equal protection under the law and equal human rights - denying same-sex couples these basic legal rights is contrary to this concept.
They actually do. Same sex couples can enter a civil union which gives them all the benefits of being married, without calling it marriage.
Um, the definition of marriage in Australia was only changed in 2004. And for eras past, men were able to get married. Marriage is not never-changing. And I would like to ask you, why do you feel you should have a say in someone's private life? Doesn't that make you sound perverted, don't you think?