For most families, the thought of going on an international holiday with a young family is riddled with anxiety.
What if you forget a child’s passport? Are the asthma puffers expired?
But for Melbourne based family the Coopers, travelling the world with their family of five is now their everyday normal, as they run their online clothing business.
"We've travelled a lot, me and Joel in the past 15 years, we've been to probably 18 countries with children. It wasn't a giant career change for us, more of a natural progression," says Rachel Cooper on the This Glorious Mess podcast.